[06:26 am] Ed : good morning
traders [06:28 am] Ed : MAPP has takeover
offer [06:30 am] Ed : CELG monitor for
trades [06:31 am] Mitch K: watching VLTR
for bottom [06:31 am] Mitch K: watching
JOY for bottom [06:31 am] Mitch K:
watching CELG for bottom [06:32 am] Mitch
K: watching HOG for bottom [06:32 am]
Mitch K: watching CYBX for bottom [06:32
am] Mitch K: watching ELLI for
bottom [06:33 am] Mitch K: watching CSTR
for bottom [06:33 am] Mitch K: watching
IACI for bottom [06:33 am] Mitch K:
watching CA for top [06:33 am] Mitch K:
watching CREE for trades both ways [06:33
am] Mitch K: watching BHI for
bottom [06:34 am] Mitch K: watching ALB
for bottom, missed top [06:34 am] Mitch K:
watching TDC for top [06:34 am] Mitch K:
watching ABC for top [06:34 am]
Mitch K: watching DGX for trades both
ways [06:34 am] Mitch K: watching KORS for
top [06:35 am] Mitch K: watching TTM, Tata
Motors for bottom [06:35 am] Mitch K:
watching WTW for bottom [06:35 am] Mitch
K: monitoring DDD [06:36 am] Mitch K:
watching STJ for bottom [06:37 am] Mitch
K: watching WWD for top [06:37 am] Mitch
K: ELLI bouncing [06:37 am] Mitch K:
watching FOSL for bottom [06:38 am] Mitch
K: watching RKT for top [06:39 am] Mitch
K: RKT toppy [06:39 am] Mitch K: watching
BVN for bottom [06:40 am] Mitch K:
monitoring THLD today [06:40 am] Mitch K:
monitoring AGU [06:41 am] Mitch K:
watching RCL for top [06:41 am] Mitch K:
watching WLP for bottom [06:42 am] Mitch
K: watching CYBX for 2nd bottom to
buy [06:42 am] Mitch K: watching SINA for
top [06:42 am] Mitch K: watching COH for
more rebound [06:43 am] Mitch K: more
downside on SYMC [06:43 am] Mitch K: TEL
toppy [06:45 am] Mitch K: watching SSYS
for bottom, more downside first [06:46 am]
Mitch K: watching WLP closer for
bottom [06:46 am] Mitch K: watching GD for
short on top of bounce, soon [06:46 am]
Mitch K: monitoring MCD [06:47 am] Mitch
K: watching AGN for short on top of bounce,
take time [06:47 am] Mitch K: missed EXPE
top but monitoring [06:49 am] Mitch K:
looking for just under 64 on WLP [06:49
am] Mitch K: watching BVN closer [06:49
am] Mitch K: consider selling most of ELLI
long [06:50 am] Mitch K: be flexible on
that WLP long though [06:54 am] Mitch K:
consider selling CYBX [06:57 am] Mitch K:
cover WLP soon if short [06:58 am] Mitch
K: bunch of microtrades in RKT
today [06:58 am] Mitch K: WTW
bouncing [06:58 am] Mitch K: forget BVN,
no life, no bounce [06:58 am] Mitch K: DD
bouncing [06:59 am] Mitch K: consider
selling KORS [06:59 am] Mitch K: watching
ALB for top to sell long and short
later [07:03 am] Mitch K: watching ESRX
for bottom. This is setting up nicely,
need more downside though [07:03 am] Ed :
very tight range on SPY today [07:04 am]
Mitch K: Express Scripts =
ESRX [07:06 am] Mitch K: anyone having
problems with Kinetick datafeed this
morning? [07:06 am] Ed : JCP
alerrt [07:10 am] Ed : if u tooj JCP short
would cover some in here [07:11 am] Mitch
K: here [07:11 am] Mitch K: watching Z for
top [07:13 am] Ed : SPY new hod [07:16
am] Mitch K: looking for 54+ on
ESRX [07:16 am] Ed : out all JCP
short [07:16 am] Mitch K: actually 1.9 mil
shares traded today [07:16 am] Mitch K: Z
toppy [07:16 am] Mitch K: watching VLTR
again [07:16 am] Mitch K: watching ONVO
for bottom, lower priced stock, Organovo
Holdings [07:18 am] Mitch K: you should be
out of the CELG long [07:21 am] Mitch K:
slow climb with COH [07:23 am] Mitch K:
does not look like ESRX will make 54, toppy
here [07:26 am] Mitch K: argh, missed #3
earlier on NG 03-13 at 5:35:17am pacific
$3.517, over 60 tick move [07:28 am] Mitch
K: watching 6E drop [07:30 am] Ed : SPY
new lod [07:30 am] Ed : monitoring SSYS
for potential long play missed
short [07:39 am] Mitch K: im enjoying
watching ONVO drop drop drop, the more the
better potential bounce [07:39 am] Mitch
K: got a #3 signal on 6E 03-13 [07:40 am]
Mitch K: sorry was a late post, long at
1.3289 on 6E [07:42 am] Mitch K: think
much longer term on a #3 signal, can last
anywhere from 15 min to 2 hours [07:44 am]
Mitch K: SSYS looks real weak for a long, i
dont like that chart [07:44 am] Mitch K:
watching JCP for potential bounce [07:44
am] Mitch K: first [07:44 am] Mitch K:
CYBX should give another bounce with a lot
less volume and momentum, smaller bounce,
ideal to see 44.50 area [07:46 am] Mitch
K: traders love shorting DDD, great trading
stock, kind of like how KORS is good trading
stock as well. [07:46 am] Ed : SPY new
lod [07:47 am] Mitch K: consider covering
ALB if short [07:47 am] Mitch K: ONVO
bouncing, use limit orders [07:47 am]
Mitch K: watching DDD for bottom [07:50
am] Mitch K: DDD next trade, [07:50 am]
Mitch K: NG buy signal [07:52 am] Mitch K:
that is the kind of short swing i take for a
few days [07:52 am] Mitch K: oh wait a
sec, look at the DDD daily chart, could drop
quite a bit more today, maybe even to
65 [07:53 am] Mitch K: looks like small
bounce soon here [07:53 am] Mitch K: i
think it could still give good bounce but i
wouldnt try to milk out a big bounce out of
it, sure would like to see below 66
though [07:54 am] Mitch K: i like to short
the top of bounces on stocks like DDD that
has that daily chart like that [07:55 am]
Mitch K: the spread bounces around on ONVO
but establishing a nice V bottom [08:06
am] Ed : WHR alert [08:07 am] Ed : WHR US
Trade panel approves anti dumping duties on
washing machines from South Korea and Mexico
– [08:45 am] Mitch K: scalp of the
month [08:45 am] Mitch K: consider selling
ONVO long [08:52 am] Mitch K: watching 6E
for sell signal from earlier [08:53 am]
Mitch K: was about 90 minutes ago 739am
pacific time [09:22 am] Ed : CYBX Responds
to short seller report; feels the story does
not accurately describe the Therapy business
– financial press [09:42 am] Ed : just
monitoring GD [10:12 am] Ed : nice call on
MLNX [10:26 am] Ed : SPY trading near
hod [10:39 am] Mitch K: #3 buy signal on
CL 03-13 [10:48 am] Mitch K: #3 signal
still valid on CL 03-13 [10:48 am] Mitch
K: use big stop on #3, 18-20 tick
stop [10:56 am] Ed : monitoring IOC and
ALB [10:57 am] Ed : would like more
selling on ALB [10:58 am] Ed : SPY another
attempt near hod [11:13 am] Ed : IOC
Weakness partly attributed to article being
circulated that notes ongoing political
concerns in Papua New Guinea potentially
impacting IOC projects- [11:23 am] Ed :
alert HLF/NUS [11:24 am] Ed : HLF Einhorn
said to reveal short position in taken in
2012 in meeting with – [11:28 am] Ed : HLF
Sources from investor meeting today say
Greenlight’s Einhorn said his short position
was taken in 2012 and was profitable; has no
current bet on HLF shares – [11:51 am] Ed
: ALXN monitoring [11:53 am] Ed : ALXN
Ministers of Health have decided to not
follow a positive recommendation by Advisory
Group on Soliris® (eculizumab [12:24 pm]
Ed : getting pullback in SPY [12:42 pm]
Mitch K: IOC toppy here [12:56 pm] Ed :
have a great evening traders [12:57 pm]
Mitch K: later guys
| [06:06 am] taco : gm all [06:06 am]
joeytsa : Good morning Ed,
everyone [06:07 am] mikewd2 -: Big drop in
COH [06:07 am] joeytsa : gap up:
GOOG,ISRG,MAPP,CREE,NVS [06:08 am]
joeytsa : gap down:
COH,LLY,GDCHKP,NMRX,TIF,MCP,CELG [06:11
am] cowboyh : gm everyone [06:11 am]
taco : thx for gappers [06:14 am]
eyes : Good Morning Everyone [06:15
am] qwert : good morning to
everybody thx for the gaps
joey [06:16 am] taco : the GD, CHKP
are two seperate ones [06:17 am]
joeytsa : yeah [06:18 am]
skydiver : gm all [06:21 am]
lisas : gm all [06:23 am] Ed : is
jsn here? [06:23 am] qwert : dont
see him logged in Ed [06:23 am] Ed :
ok [06:24 am] khall : gm [06:24
am] taco : we chat every now and then,
will let hime know you are asking about
him [06:24 am] Ed : thx [06:25 am]
mikewd2 -: i was talking to jsn in FB about
futures [06:26 am] Ed : ok [06:26 am]
taco : he’s loggin in.. [06:26 am]
doji : Good morning fellas [06:26
am] apple : good morning to all fine
traders [06:26 am] apple : gm
E [06:26 am] jolliffboy : gm
EVERYBODY. [06:26 am] apple : gm
doji [06:26 am] qwert : gm
doji [06:26 am] apple : gm
taco [06:26 am] qwert : gm
apple [06:26 am] apple : gm
jolli [06:26 am] taco : yo
apple [06:26 am] apple : g,
,ole [06:27 am] jsn13 : good morning
everyone….hi ed, i’m here…. [06:27 am]
lisas : gm apple [06:27 am]
apple : gm khall [06:27 am]
apple : gm ksm [06:27 am]
apple : can’t type, gm jsn [06:27
am] khall : gm apple [06:27 am]
apple : gm mike [06:28 am]
apple : gm qwert [06:28 am]
apple : gm MK [06:29 am] shawn
: what is NFLX going to do? [06:29 am]
apple : thx E [06:29 am] apple
: gm shawn [06:29 am] elisha : Good
Morning Mitch, Ed and everyone [06:29 am]
apple : gm elisha [06:29 am]
elisha : gm apple [06:30 am]
joeytsa : CREE moving [06:31 am]
mikewd2 -: ATI [06:31 am] regatta :
ELLI [06:31 am] doji :
APPL [06:31 am] doji :
NFLX [06:32 am] doji : APPL S
510.34 [06:34 am] doji : NFLX
consolidating? [06:34 am] doji :
KORS [06:34 am] regatta :
PERI [06:34 am] joeytsa : nice moves
already [06:35 am] apple : gm
joey [06:35 am] apple : looks that
way, doji [06:35 am] joeytsa : hi
apple [06:35 am] joeytsa : tighten
CREE [06:37 am] joeytsa : tighten
CHKP [06:38 am] taco : IBM [06:39
am] joeytsa : /GC sitting on
pp [06:40 am] shawn : Any body in
WTW? [06:40 am] joeytsa : watching
TEL [06:40 am] shark : be a nice
short, shawn [06:41 am] shawn :
Thank you [06:41 am] skydiver : no
shorts for WTW at Lightspeed – so watching
for a bounce? [06:41 am] shark :
ISRG new lod’s [06:42 am] joeytsa :
that was one heck of a move on ISRG [06:43
am] shark : yeah [06:43 am]
joeytsa : they always move big on
earnings [06:43 am] shark :
🙂 [06:44 am] shawn : DoJi and
Shark: Is NFLX toppy? [06:44 am]
shark : consolidating [06:44 am]
shark : holding my 8min ma [06:45
am] shawn : Thanks Shark [06:45 am]
doji : It’s holding…. I am staying
away for now [06:45 am] shawn :
shoot I called that one [06:46 am]
joeytsa : toppy and consolidating can
sometimes look a lot alike [06:46 am]
doji : SSYS, WTW same pattern [06:46
am] joeytsa : unfortunately i cant see
to the right of the current candle
🙂 [06:47 am] shark : ….just wait
1min, joey [06:47 am] joeytsa :
haha [06:47 am] joeytsa : watchign
DDD [06:48 am] shark : GOOG getting
to poss top here [06:48 am] taco :
IBM toppy, cons. [06:48 am] doji :
FB [06:48 am] joeytsa : IBM good
earnings? [06:48 am] taco : ya last
night [06:48 am] joeytsa : /ES in
pretty tigth range [06:49 am]
joeytsa : WLP getting some
buying [06:50 am] apple : computer
problems – TS froze 3 x already [06:50 am]
joeytsa : pedal faster 🙂 [06:50 am]
doji : lol [06:50 am] taco :
CYBX drop [06:50 am] doji :
CYBX [06:51 am] joeytsa : nice catch
taco [06:51 am] doji : Lost
200dMA [06:52 am] mikewd2 -: wow
CYBX [06:52 am] doji : Missed
CELG….. dang [06:52 am] shark :
was nice move, doji [06:52 am] doji
: Come on CELG, pull back! [06:52 am]
joeytsa : thought you had that
doji [06:53 am] doji :
Nope [06:53 am] joeytsa : FFIV nice
off the bottom [06:53 am] shark :
watching F [06:54 am] mikewd2 -: awesome
bounce off CYBX [06:54 am] joeytsa :
sure was [06:54 am] joeytsa : CHKP
making a cup [06:54 am] joeytsa : or
dbl top [06:56 am] mikewd2 -: broke thru
joey [06:56 am] joeytsa : Mitch: you
got your “just under $64” 63.97..nice
call [06:56 am] jimjllsail :
hello [06:57 am] joeytsa : yeah
mike, see if $48 holds now [06:57 am]
doji : FB running again today [06:57
am] joeytsa : hi jim [06:57 am]
doji : Another I lost [06:57 am]
doji : missed [06:57 am] shark
: hi jim [06:57 am] skydiver : gm
jim [06:57 am] shark : see if GOOG
pushes higher or pulls back here [06:58
am] doji : DD boucing? [06:59 am]
joeytsa : KSU hod [06:59 am]
joeytsa : doji: he might have meant
DDD [06:59 am] mikewd2 -: CYBC [06:59
am] mikewd2 -: CYBX sorry [06:59 am]
elisha : CRM forming cup on 1 min
chart [07:00 am] elisha : 1 min= 15
min [07:00 am] joeytsa : tighten
CHKP if long [07:00 am] doji :
WTW [07:01 am] shark : nice “U” turn
WTW [07:01 am] shark : NFLX new
hod [07:03 am] joeytsa : decent move
on /NG [07:03 am] doji : Are tiyn
options or shares Shark? [07:03 am]
doji : in NFLX [07:03 am]
joeytsa : CTXS steady up move
today [07:03 am] skydiver : Z-0 tale
pver cjatter [07:03 am] skydiver :
Z [07:03 am] joeytsa : yeah Ed, /ES
in a 1-1.5pt range [07:05 am] doji :
Here is the SPY Joey [07:05 am]
joeytsa : looking for a solid push thru
1488 [07:06 am] joeytsa : or break
below 1486.50 [07:06 am] joeytsa :
thx Ed [07:07 am] elisha : no
Mitch [07:07 am] gregs :
JCP [07:07 am] doji : APPL
hod [07:08 am] mikewd2 -: CYBX what a
trader today [07:08 am] doji :
? [07:09 am] mikewd2 -: WTW moving nicely
off lod [07:09 am] shawn : Looks
Like ESRX is just about a buy? [07:11 am]
shawn : Anybody in ESRX? [07:11 am]
Ed : need more selling for me shawn [07:11
am] skydiver : WTW being nice finally
🙂 [07:11 am] joeytsa : COH getting
a little buying [07:12 am] shark :
yeah sky [07:12 am] shawn : ESRX Up
and Away [07:12 am] skydiver :
🙂 [07:13 am] shawn : esrx hit 20 on
1 min [07:13 am] ticktrader : Ed-
Thank you for JCP [07:13 am] doji :
run ESRX run [07:13 am] Ed : no problem
tick [07:13 am] shawn : I am in
Doji [07:14 am] shark : just send
the check to his mantradingcave,
tick. [07:14 am] Ed : wanted more selling
near the high 52ish area for me on
ESRX [07:15 am] lisas : picky
picky [07:15 am] mikewd2 -: nice call
shawn [07:15 am] Ed : yep thats
me [07:15 am] lisas : pays the bills
for sure [07:15 am] joeytsa : you
have to be [07:15 am] khall : picky
is good – keeps one out of trouble [07:15
am] shark : where Ed’s trading
platform, meets the pavement [07:15 am]
joeytsa : or you end up trying to fade
every 10cent move [07:15 am] mikewd2 -:
WLT [07:15 am] shawn : Making Money:
boo ya [07:15 am] shark :
😉 [07:16 am] shark : hey shawn is
really Cramer [07:16 am] shawn : boo
Ya, too Ya [07:17 am] khall : /CL
been on a nice little run up this
morning [07:18 am] joeytsa : yeah
khall, slow though [07:18 am] khall
: slow still puts green on the screen
🙂 [07:18 am] mikewd2 -: thanks for CHKP
joey, short worked out [07:18 am]
joeytsa : nice mike [07:19 am]
joeytsa : /NG still slowly up [07:20
am] mikewd2 -: oil also [07:22 am] mikewd2
-: watching INFY [07:24 am] qwert :
thx mitch [07:26 am] shawn : Doji
and Shark: tell me when you think NFlx is a
short? [07:26 am] joeytsa : real
nice move Mitch [07:27 am] doji :
You propose something and I;ll replay…
squeeze the brain [07:28 am] shawn :
Depending on numbers: NFLX will be up 20
Bucks or Down 20 after the bell [07:28 am]
apple : earnings on NFLX
tonite [07:28 am] shawn : All of the
College kids, say they don’t like using
NFLX [07:28 am] skydiver : Take care
everyone — off to see my 5 year old
granddaughter for her dad and grandpa day at
her school this am. Make lots $$$
🙂 [07:29 am] joeytsa : finally got
sell signal on /NG [07:29 am]
joeytsa : have fun sky [07:29 am] Ed
: have fun sky [07:29 am] skydiver :
🙂 [07:29 am] shark : bye
sky [07:29 am] taco : enjoy
sky [07:29 am] cowboyh : bye
sky [07:29 am] apple : have fun
sky [07:29 am] qwert : have fun
sky [07:29 am] qwert :
SSYS [07:30 am] joeytsa : 6E pulled
back right to pp [07:30 am] joeytsa
: lost it though, trying to hold
1.33 [07:32 am] joeytsa : DDD
testing lod area [07:34 am] joeytsa
: /ES trying to hold pp [07:34 am]
apple : be back, will shut down and try
again [07:34 am] shark : ok
apple [07:35 am] apple : such a fun
way to start the day!!! [07:35 am]
joeytsa : sorry to hear [07:38 am]
qwert : nice call on Z short to bad no
shares at lightspeed [07:38 am]
joeytsa : yeah qwert, same with
DDD [07:38 am] ticktrader : Z shares
were not available at TS either [07:39 am]
joeytsa : ONVO wont even load on my
lightspeed [07:40 am] joeytsa : NFLX
into $100 [07:40 am] doji : ONVO
watch 4 [07:40 am] qwert : same here
joey but it loads on esignal [07:41 am]
joeytsa : break time, great moves this
morning [07:42 am] shark :
🙂 [07:44 am] shawn : Anybody in
SSYS? [07:45 am] mikewd2 -: SSYS seems to
power up for a few days to get to new yearly
hi’s, then sells of for several
days [07:46 am] mikewd2 -: nice sell of in
GC and SI [07:46 am] mikewd2 -:
off [07:46 am] doji : SSYS hit 10y
high yesterday… [07:48 am] doji :
DDD also hit 10y high today [07:48 am]
mikewd2 -: would bet they sell off for
several days doji, then power
backup [07:48 am] shark : all time
high, doji [07:48 am] doji : I agree
Mike [07:48 am] doji : Will keep
them in my barket [07:48 am] shawn :
I just missed NFLX [07:48 am] shawn
: short [07:49 am] mikewd2 -: watching WTW
for test of lod [07:49 am] doji :
smae with NVS, 10y high today [07:52 am]
shark : thx, Mitch [07:52 am]
mikewd2 -: yeah Mitch that is what doji and i
were discussing [07:53 am] mikewd2 -: same
on SSYS [07:53 am] shark : climax
top yesterday/today – DDD on daily
chart [07:53 am] taco : thanks
Mitch [07:54 am] mikewd2 -: WTW
lod [07:55 am] mikewd2 -: RKT breaking
after consolidation period [07:55 am]
mikewd2 -: failing [07:56 am] apple
: back, i think it’s the workspaces [08:11
am] qwert : looks like your charts
frozen Ed [08:14 am] mikewd2 -: ONVO nice
bounce, i’m trying to stay away from those
low priced stocks [08:16 am] mikewd2 -:
RKT turning [08:20 am] shark : NFLX
new hod [08:22 am] qwert : watching
PANL [08:22 am] mikewd2 -: covered half
RKT short [08:23 am] shark :
watching NFLX [08:24 am] shark : vol
getting interesting [08:24 am]
joeytsa : great move on NFLX [08:24
am] doji : For short Sahrk? [08:24
am] doji : Short calls [08:25 am]
doji : I am quite busy today, habve
lost opportunities in CELG and NFLX… shame
on me [08:25 am] shark : that’s an
option doji [08:26 am] doji : are
you shorting calls or buying calls in
NFLX? [08:26 am] shark : looking to
short shares on any pullback or short
calls [08:27 am] shark : you need to
short 2 ATM calls to equal price move of
underlying stock [08:32 am] joeytsa
: 2 nice cycles on /NG today [08:34 am]
qwert : PANL [08:34 am]
joeytsa : looks like NFLX cons here
near 4101 [08:34 am] joeytsa :
$101 [08:36 am] shark :
yeah [08:41 am] shark : GOOG testing
hod [08:42 am] mikewd2 -: QCOR [08:48
am] mikewd2 -: CYBX nearing lod [08:50 am]
shark : GOOG new hod [08:54 am]
joeytsa : reminder from a couple weeks
ago.. [08:54 am] joeytsa : free
webinar at lightspeed today [08:54 am]
doji : Watching ONVO [08:55 am]
joeytsa : topic is ” learn to day trade
the first 2 hours of the market” [08:55
am] shark : awesome joey, thx [08:55
am] joeytsa : not sure how good it will
be, but i like the price 🙂 [08:55 am]
shark : ohhhh yeahhh [08:55 am]
doji : Thanks Joey… I think this
course complement the previous one [08:56
am] mikewd2 -: Calhoun the speaker? [08:56
am] doji : Nooooo [08:56 am]
apple : calhoun is his own
man [08:56 am] doji : Calhoun always
speak the same…. [08:56 am]
joeytsa : go to lightspeed.com >
Tools and Education> live
webinars…its at 1:30PDT [08:56 am]
apple : thx joey [08:56 am] mikewd2
-: ok, i thought joey had mentioned it was
calhoun [08:56 am] shark : do they
post those afterwards too, joey? [08:57
am] joeytsa : it will be Josh Dipietro
running this one [08:57 am] mikewd2 -: ok,
sorry [08:57 am] joeytsa : yeah,
usually the next day shark..you can watch all
of the previous ones [08:57 am]
shark : 🙂 [08:57 am] joeytsa
: In this live webinar Josh Dipietro, the
author of “The Truth about Day Trading
Stocks”, will discuss a set of guidelines for
how to day trade the first 2 hours of the
market based on a countertrend-reversal
strategy. Here you will learn the framework
to Day Trader Josh’s intra-day trading
methodology. You will learn how to place 5-15
round trip trades in the first 2 hours after
the market opens for each stock you are
watching. His intra-day system is based on
taking small profits on quick reversals after
a support/resistance level is
broken [08:57 am] doji : Calhoun is
always trying to reinvent things given them
different names but at end is the same: 15d
15min breakout/breakdowns [08:57 am]
doji : or the 2d 2min
breakouts/breakdowns [08:58 am]
joeytsa : sometimes on the lightspeed
ones they have a time where a sales pitch
gets thrown in, but not always [08:58 am]
mikewd2 -: i have PT today, hopefully it will
be recoreded [08:58 am] joeytsa :
should be mike [09:00 am] apple :
ISRG shot up about 50 points [09:00 am]
joeytsa : always have big moves on
earnings [09:01 am] apple : that’s
right [09:01 am] shark : you just
noticed, apple? [09:02 am] elisha :
joey -thanks for info, just read your
post [09:02 am] apple : no, just
commenting, only noticed it the last few
times [09:02 am] mikewd2 -: RKT in
consoldiation again, another leg up
coming? [09:07 am] joeytsa : no prob
elisha..should be decent at least [09:08
am] joeytsa : the way i look at
webinars/books etc..is if i get just 1 idea
that i can work with, or that leads me in a
new and better direction..then its worth
it [09:08 am] joeytsa : sometimes
what i get out of them is what NOT to do
also..just as valuable [09:10 am]
elisha : amen to that brother [09:10
am] eyes : How are you doing
Apple [09:11 am] apple : great eyes,
and you? [09:11 am] lisas : joey, do
they record their webinars? [09:11 am]
mikewd2 -: CYBX sick puppy [09:11 am]
joeytsa : they do lisa, should be up
tomorrow or friday [09:12 am] lisas
: Thanks for mentioning it! [09:13 am]
joeytsa : no prob..time to run, see you
for the final 90 minutes [09:13 am]
shark : bye joey [09:13 am] mikewd2
-: ILMN dropping [09:15 am] doji :
Forgot that NFLX releases earning
today… [09:17 am] mikewd2 -: AAPL today
also? [09:20 am] mikewd2 -: nice bounce on
CYBX, if your playing these bounces don’t get
too greedy [09:20 am] mikewd2 -: until it
breaks this trend down [09:21 am] mikewd2
-: really hi vol on CYBX compared to the rest
of this 2 week fall [09:22 am] mikewd2 -:
thoughts on CYBX, Ed? [09:23 am] mikewd2
-: nice, didn’t see that [09:28 am]
doji : NFLX short 101.8 [09:30 am]
mikewd2 -: nice entry price if it turns
over [09:33 am] qwert : Mitch
regarding 6E trade I got stopped out at 7:44
when it made a new low when you are trading
the #3 signal how wide of a stop are you
using [09:36 am] eyes : qwert what
time was your entry [09:38 am] qwert
: 7:41pst at 1.3285 when it held the double
bottom [09:38 am] qwert : stopped at
7:44 when the new low was made [09:39 am]
eyes : your time [09:39 am]
qwert : yes pst [09:40 am]
qwert : lightning also kicked out a
sell signal at that time on 4r [09:40 am]
shark : HLF [09:45 am] regatta
: watching TTM [09:47 am] mikewd2 -:
watching RKT if fails new hod [09:53 am]
shark : Reed Hastings pre-committed to
going on CNBC tomorrow mng.
Hmmm….. [09:54 am] mikewd2 -:
MLNX [09:55 am] mikewd2 -: watching MLNX
near 50.00 [09:56 am] mikewd2 -: no short
MLNX at TS [09:57 am] qwert : none
at lightspeed either MLNX [10:02 am]
shark : options? [10:02 am] mikewd2
-: good thing we couldn’t short –
haha [10:02 am] mikewd2 -: still
moving [10:03 am] shark : has put in
some decent support on daily – MLNX [10:04
am] doji : Buy that could been easily
broken if the ER doesn’t meet WS’
expectations [10:06 am] qwert :
still my waekness i saw MLNX had room to go
on the daily and 15min and didnt go
long [10:07 am] doji : Watching NFLX
for 2nd short attempt [10:08 am]
apple : it’s pretty strong
doji [10:10 am] mikewd2 -: there goes
MLNX [10:11 am] doji : 2nd short in
NFLX… it all or nothing! [10:12 am]
mikewd2 -: ty – didn’t make any money
though! [10:12 am] mikewd2 -: should have
took the long [10:18 am] doji : Dang
stopped again… NFLX… [10:18 am]
mikewd2 -: give it up doji! [10:18 am]
doji : Are you long? Too late for me
now [10:19 am] shark : on a long
move up, doji, I like to see my 8min ma cross
through 34min [10:19 am] shark : SPY
testing hod [10:19 am] doji : I
didn’t know it reports today…. [10:20
am] mikewd2 -: CYBX looking better [10:20
am] shark : some debt limit vote in
progress, yes? [10:21 am] mikewd2 -: they
will get it done, because there pay raise is
in there also [10:21 am] mikewd2 -: just
passed [10:26 am] doji : LEN, KBH,
PHM at 52-week high today [10:27 am]
doji : I always think I should remain
on one of these stocks and just ride for
months…. hum [10:29 am] apple :
you could do it with the options
doji [10:29 am] doji : Shark, your
8min MA crossed the 34 [10:33 am] mikewd2
-: WTW trying to move up [10:34 am]
shark : thx, doji [10:35 am]
shark : also, housing good long term
theme [10:35 am] shark : Warren
Buffet suggests adding some $ monthly for
those types of themes [10:37 am] mikewd2
-: dang closed my RKT short, small gain – and
there she goes [10:39 am] apple :
shark, look at XLF Feb 17 calls open
interest [10:41 am] shark : you mean
puts? [10:41 am] apple :
calls [10:41 am] apple :
301,000 [10:44 am] shark : on Feb
monthly (16th) $17 calls shows 3210 open
interest [10:44 am] shark : the $16
puts shows 62,086 o.i. [10:45 am]
shark : let me check from 2nd
source [10:47 am] doji : Wow,
someone betting a lot on thos calls
Apple [10:47 am] shark : yeah, found
it on different platform [10:47 am]
mikewd2 -: worried about CL [10:48 am]
lisas : yep, looks like it going to try
going through it’s S1 pivot [10:48 am]
mikewd2 -: almost got stopped, how many ticks
to you use Mitch on stop [10:49 am]
mikewd2 -: ok [10:49 am] lisas :
often finds support there this time of day,
it’s at 95.80 [10:49 am] doji : On
sim in CL.. long at 95.86 with stop at
95.66 [10:50 am] mikewd2 -: oh, i’m on
wrong contract i’m on 4-13 [10:52 am]
lisas : are you sim mike? [10:52 am]
mikewd2 -: no [10:54 am] mikewd2 -: not
liking futures – lol [10:55 am] doji
: stopped in /CL long [10:56 am]
lisas : Mike, if you want to find ou if
you are in the front month on TS futures,
make sure the price on your contract matches
the @cl, or @es, etc price [10:57 am]
mikewd2 -: yeah, i though i did
that [10:58 am] lisas : we’ve all
done that, either contract, support failed,
testing the bulls [10:59 am] apple :
IOC looks like a ski slope [10:59 am]
qwert : news on IOC [10:59 am] Ed :
just look out for the trees [11:00 am]
regatta : black diamond slope [11:01
am] mikewd2 -: AAPL dropping [11:02 am]
apple : haha, take the lift
down [11:02 am] qwert : no depth on
ioc [11:03 am] regatta : no powder,
just ice [11:03 am] mikewd2 -: should get
a nice boucne soon [11:03 am] qwert
: no shorts at light speed [11:06 am]
mikewd2 -: looking for 55.50 area first
target [11:07 am] mikewd2 -: any news on
IOC? [11:08 am] lisas : Maybe the
crude drop? [11:08 am] mikewd2 -: wow CL
just dieing [11:08 am] mikewd2 -: #3
signal no workie on that call [11:08 am]
doji : Agree Mike [11:08 am]
doji : although in SIM mode [11:10
am] apple : nice move off bottom
IOC [11:11 am] mikewd2 -: tried to sell
half at 55.15 but didn’t go [11:11 am]
mikewd2 -: there they go – out half from
54.4 [11:12 am] taco : nice
Mike [11:12 am] apple : has chin
been around lately? [11:15 am] doji
: Hey Apple, how are your options
doing? [11:16 am] doji : Jut placed
a Long Call Spread on AAPL (555/575)… let’s
see how it goes… [11:16 am]
joeytsa : CREE nice run to
$41 [11:17 am] mikewd2 -: CL trying to
bounce [11:17 am] joeytsa : that was
a nice down move on /CL earlier [11:18 am]
apple : good doji, bot a NFLX 105 this
morning [11:19 am] qwert : Doji does
that mean you bought a 555 and sold a
575? [11:19 am] doji : Yes
Qwert [11:19 am] mikewd2 -: stopped on CL,
got most my money back – haha [11:20 am]
qwert : expires friday? [11:20 am]
mikewd2 -: on that bounce [11:20 am]
doji : NNice Apple, are you going to
hold or closed before earnings? [11:20 am]
apple : hold em [11:21 am] mikewd2
-: i sold my AAPL covered calls and sold the
stock on the run up today [11:21 am]
apple : also 550 C on AAPL [11:21
am] mikewd2 -: bought back my covered calls
that is [11:21 am] mikewd2 -: v [11:21
am] mikewd2 -: Cyberonics upgraded to Buy
from Neutral at Sidoti [11:22 am]
doji : Hope AAPL and NFLX don’t
dissappoint [11:22 am] mikewd2 -: i hope
they do doji – AAPL that is [11:22 am]
mikewd2 -: would love to buy lower [11:22
am] eyes : WNR [11:23 am] mikewd2 -:
HLF [11:23 am] joeytsa : NUS vol
spike down [11:23 am] mikewd2 -: was that
bad print? [11:23 am] doji : Tooooo
QUIICCKKKKKKK! [11:23 am] doji : No
Mike [11:24 am] mikewd2 -: they mentioned
his hedge fund was down 4.7% for month of
december [11:25 am] joeytsa : i
think i read his fund was down on the year or
at least underperformed the
s&p [11:25 am] mikewd2 -: actually
up 7.2% on year [11:25 am] mikewd2 -:
2012 [11:25 am] joeytsa : what was
s&p ? [11:25 am] mikewd2 -: per
CNBC [11:25 am] doji : KBH
hod [11:25 am] joeytsa : maybe im
thinking of another big name guy? [11:26
am] mikewd2 -: long again on IOC [11:26
am] joeytsa : 6E was a nice trade
today..good call Mitch [11:28 am] mikewd2
-: Greenlight capital is Eihnorns [11:29
am] joeytsa : no current bet..i like
that term 🙂 [11:29 am] mikewd2 -:
yeah [11:29 am] Ed : me to [11:30 am]
joeytsa : at least the vegas casinos
give you free drinks [11:31 am] mikewd2 -:
my last free drinks in vegas, cost me about
$600 bucks joey – lol [11:31 am] Ed : too
much information [11:31 am] joeytsa
: yeah, but now i have nice paved roads
haha [11:32 am] mikewd2 -: IOC still
weak [11:32 am] joeytsa : ugly
chart [11:33 am] doji : Apple
remember NFLX invested heavily on deals with
Walt Disnesy and others and the cost of the
transaction was not released… just
something to be aware of [11:33 am]
mikewd2 -: will watch afterhours, if it tanks
may jump on long [11:34 am] mikewd2 -: re:
AAPL [11:34 am] apple : thx doji,
will remember [11:35 am] doji : haha
remeber before the close [11:35 am]
doji : I agree Mike… will watch APPL,
NFLX and CELG [11:36 am] joeytsa :
holding thru announcements is like playing
roulette sometiems [11:37 am]
joeytsa : if NFLX can bust thru
$103-104 area it might take off [11:37 am]
apple : last week i bot GS and sold,
then bot again after [11:37 am]
joeytsa : would like to see a nice
pullback to the 20ema [11:38 am]
joeytsa : nice one apple, GS has been
nice for a couple months [11:38 am]
doji : I was told that buying weeklys
into earnings is not recommended as the
premiums are very high [11:38 am] mikewd2
-: IOC might get some support arount 51
area [11:38 am] doji :
buying/selling [11:38 am] doji : and
the profits are limited [11:38 am]
joeytsa : depends on what you are
looking for i guess doji [11:39 am]
joeytsa : and how long you plan to
hold [11:39 am] doji : Well, they
are weeklys [11:40 am] joeytsa :
yeah, i meant 1day hold vs 5 days for
example [11:40 am] joeytsa : /NG on
a decent move, /ES testing 1490 [11:41 am]
doji : With weekly into earning I would
close my position on teh first move
up/down [11:41 am] apple : doji, i
haven’t had a difficult time with that.
that is why iron condors are suggested so you
cover both sides. [11:42 am] doji :
Just learning Joey… planning to take a PhD
in Options although…. hahah [11:42 am]
joeytsa : apple,doji : do you ever look
at the greeks? [11:42 am] doji :
Both covering both sides although limit your
risk also limit your profits [11:43 am]
doji : Yes, Delta [11:43 am]
doji : Both=but [11:43 am]
joeytsa : again doji ; i was
taught..look for the right stock first, then
worry about options/premiums [11:43 am]
doji : What is the right stock? Just
curios [11:43 am] apple : yes, i do
joey. but now i have to go bundle up to
pick up robert — it;s 19 degrees here.
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [11:44 am] doji :
SLB [11:44 am] apple : haha, you
mean you don’t know, doji? [11:44 am]
joeytsa : only negative with hedging
strategies to me is that not only do they
limit your profit, but it shows you dont have
a real conviction on the move [11:44 am]
doji : Like playing Straddles [11:44
am] joeytsa : doji: right stock is the
one that meets all of your criteria for
entering..whether long or short [11:44 am]
apple : you want a stock that moves,
has good volume and has heavily traded
options with close spreads [11:45 am]
joeytsa : everyone sees something
different [11:45 am] doji : Yes, I
agree [11:45 am] doji : You have to
have done your homwework before going into
Options [11:45 am] joeytsa :
amen [11:45 am] doji : your
homwework on the underlying [11:45 am]
apple : correctomundo [11:45 am]
doji : Otherwie I just could take at
straddle ATM [11:46 am] joeytsa : i
have done hedging strategies on craps and
baccarat [11:46 am] joeytsa : its a
grind it out kind of play [11:46 am]
apple : doji, credit spreads are good,
now i really have to go [11:47 am]
joeytsa : with horses i hedge a bit
also [11:47 am] doji : I like how
Apple and Shark play with the weeklys to
buy/short put/calls… [11:47 am]
joeytsa : yeah [11:47 am] doji
: when sensing the stock will move in one
direction or another [11:47 am] doji
: day trade [11:47 am] joeytsa :
yep [11:47 am] apple : doji, i don’t
short i buy either calls or puts – let’s talk
later [11:48 am] skydiver : good to
know apple 🙂 [11:48 am]
joeytsa : going to play some commodity
options sometime this year [11:49 am]
lisas : sim trade it first doji also,
lots to learn regrading option [11:49 am]
mikewd2 -: naugh doji, just jump in and
swim! [11:49 am] joeytsa : too many
people buy the cheapest options becasue they
are cheap [11:49 am] lisas : with
shark??? Mike, you must not like
Doji! [11:50 am] mikewd2 -: haha [11:50
am] joeytsa : i found a video of Mike
teaching doji trading options… [11:51
am] joeytsa :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3ykWbu2Gl0 [11:51 am] lisas : oh no, this will be
good [11:51 am] mikewd2 -: nice one
joey [11:51 am] joeytsa :
🙂 [11:51 am] mikewd2 -: alxn [11:52
am] qwert : good one joey [11:52 am]
doji : Good one [11:55 am]
doji : APPL up, CELG down [11:57 am]
mikewd2 -: $92 area support on
ALXN? [11:57 am] doji : AAPL big
move [12:00 pm] mikewd2 -: hope you got
ALXN at 92.00 [12:00 pm] doji :
Options showing a 7% move in AAPL after
earnings…. [12:06 pm] mikewd2 -: trying
ALL [12:06 pm] mikewd2 -: trying ALXN at
92 again [12:07 pm] doji : I like it
better at 90 if it gets there [12:07 pm]
mikewd2 -: WTW [12:07 pm] doji : or
91.44 firts [12:08 pm] mikewd2 -: risking
25 cents to make a dollar doji [12:09 pm]
mikewd2 -: WTW at interesting point [12:10
pm] joeytsa : yeah mike, cup-type
pattern on the 5min and 15min [12:14 pm]
joeytsa : /CL ran right up to
S2 [12:14 pm] joeytsa : nice 20cent
move from the last lightning signal [12:16
pm] joeytsa : ALXN just throwing off
trades [12:16 pm] joeytsa : nice one
Ed..you keep your job at least another day
🙂 [12:16 pm] doji : At 92 again
Mike [12:17 pm] doji : Lost
91.44 [12:17 pm] doji : NExt
90 [12:17 pm] joeytsa : really nice
short [12:18 pm] doji : Did you
Joel? [12:18 pm] joeytsa : yep, 3
times [12:19 pm] taco : have to run.
thank you Mitch Ed and everyone, see you
tomorrow [12:19 pm] joeytsa : bye
taco [12:19 pm] joeytsa : might get
a trend change here though [12:23 pm]
shark : closing in on SPY
1500 [12:24 pm] doji : No
yet [12:24 pm] doji :
Tomorrow [12:26 pm] joeytsa : maybe
tomorrow..see how AAPL does [12:27 pm]
joeytsa : 10pts from here, nice
profit [12:29 pm] joeytsa : doji:
are you playing futures? [12:31 pm]
joeytsa : just another reminder about
the lightspeed webinar, 1 hr from now to
anyone interested [12:31 pm] qwert :
thx joey [12:31 pm] joeytsa : or
catch it once they post it either tomorrow or
friday [12:31 pm] joeytsa : didnt
get that last short on ALXN [12:35 pm]
eyes : Good Night Everyone [12:35
pm] shark : bye eyes [12:36 pm]
qwert : cya eyes [12:37 pm]
joeytsa : bye eyes [12:40 pm]
lisas : bye eyes [12:41 pm]
lisas : Thanks Joey [12:41 pm]
joeytsa : no prob [12:42 pm]
apple : so i go upstairs to find my
ceiling leaking right over a
laptop… [12:42 pm] qwert : oh no
apple [12:43 pm] joeytsa : thats not
good [12:43 pm] apple : tiny tiny
but i will have tohave someone look at
it [12:43 pm] joeytsa : whats above
you? [12:44 pm] apple : hopefully i
caught it in time, need to check the laptop
later [12:44 pm] joeytsa : nice move
on ALXN [12:44 pm] doji : HEy Joey,
at whcih levels did you short ALXN? [12:45
pm] joeytsa : doji: 1st time was 95.95,
2nd 92.93, 3rd time92.48 [12:45 pm]
joeytsa : missed a couple nice longs in
between, i like the easier play [12:46 pm]
doji : Thanks, I can see that [12:46
pm] joeytsa : last upmove was nice on
the dbl bot [12:47 pm] joeytsa :
first short was nice..almost $3 [12:47 pm]
doji : It was not posted here when it
was at 95.95 although [12:47 pm]
doji : It was the good one; the other
two….hum [12:48 pm] joeytsa : i
was watching it, but Ed mentioned it at
11;51 [12:48 pm] joeytsa : 11:52 bar
was entry [12:48 pm] doji : Ah ok,
was distracted [12:49 pm] joeytsa
: i picked up ALXN a few minutes before Ed
mentioned, but it hadnt moved much at that
point [12:49 pm] doji : The short
was the good, Why did you say the longs were
not easy after suhc a drop from
$96? [12:49 pm] joeytsa : when Ed
commented, price was riding the 5ma down, vol
hadnt exploded [12:50 pm] joeytsa :
i find playing the trend easier [12:50 pm]
joeytsa : to me its just easier to
short a stock falling as it pops up into
res..whack-a-mole 🙂 [12:50 pm] doji
: You mean the daily trend? [12:51 pm]
joeytsa : 1min in this case [12:51
pm] joeytsa : didnt even look at the
daily [12:51 pm] doji : Ok it first
dropped to 96 then came back to 97, hit
resistance and then the drop [12:51 pm]
joeytsa : some traders are good at
taking those bounces [12:51 pm]
apple : nice run up on IOC [12:52
pm] joeytsa : yeah, i took it on the
loss of $96 [12:53 pm] doji :
Thanks [12:53 pm] joeytsa : my
mistake was not taking the long around
12:30pdt [12:53 pm] joeytsa : dbl
bot on pos div [12:53 pm] joeytsa :
and got sidetracked by my kitten
haha [12:54 pm] joeytsa : AAPL
cons [12:55 pm] joeytsa : looks like
its coiling up for a nice move [12:56 pm]
joeytsa : by Ed thanks [12:56 pm]
joeytsa : Thanks Mitch,Ed,
everyone [12:56 pm] joeytsa : have a
great day, see you all tomorrow [12:57 pm]
shark : bye joey [12:57 pm]
lisas : bye all [12:57 pm]
shark : will be watching NFLX –
AAPL [12:58 pm] jimjllsail : thanks
guys [12:59 pm] apple : thx MK, E
and everyone. all have a wonderful
evening. [01:01 pm] qwert :
goodnight everybody [01:01 pm] shark
: bye qwert [01:03 pm] shark : NFLX
pop [01:03 pm] doji : NFLX [01:03
pm] shark : no chart for AAPL up,
though [01:04 pm] joeytsa : 12pts so
far on NFLX [01:05 pm] doji : Are
you in? [01:05 pm] joeytsa : i
wish [01:05 pm] doji : Me too
hahah [01:05 pm] joeytsa : i dont
gamble on earnings [01:05 pm] shark
: watching for poss top [01:06 pm]
doji : Don’t you play aftermarket
Joey? [01:06 pm] joeytsa : cant
remember the last time id id [01:07 pm]
shark : watching NFLX [01:07 pm]
joeytsa : real nice move though, 25pts
now [01:07 pm] shark : +.13 vs est
-.13 [01:07 pm] doji : Shark are you
playing with options or shares? [01:07 pm]
shark : watching for short on top of
this move [01:08 pm] doji : You are
the man Shark! [01:09 pm] joeytsa :
should set up a few nice trades for
tomorrow [01:09 pm] shark :
yes [01:09 pm] joeytsa : CELG
reports tomorrow also [01:09 pm]
shark : i traded 735 GOOG short puts
and 750 short calls all day [01:10 pm]
shark : made about +6ish [01:10 pm]
joeytsa : FFIVE moving [01:10 pm]
joeytsa : FFIV [01:10 pm] doji
: Send some $$$ here Shark [01:10 pm]
joeytsa : nice shark [01:11 pm]
apple : no, shark, send some to me
first [01:11 pm] shark : that move
up on NFLX today, my hunch is it was some
shorts covering [01:11 pm] shark :
last stand before they got buried off these
earnings [01:11 pm] joeytsa : yeah,
mentioned earlier if it gets thru $104 could
take off [01:12 pm] shark : 🙂
agreed. [01:12 pm] joeytsa : just
didnt play it..doh [01:12 pm] shark
: will look to trade NFLX weeklys
tomorrow [01:12 pm] doji : Both
ways? [01:12 pm] doji : naked puts
and calls? [01:13 pm] shark : short
puts/calls, yes [01:16 pm] doji :
This week’s weekly or next one [01:16 pm]
shark : will [01:16 pm] shark
: see. next week might be better [01:17
pm] doji : Thanks [01:27 pm]
shark : NFLX 133. WOW!!!! [01:27 pm]
shark : holding 8 min ma on TSA
chart [01:28 pm] qwert : 25% of the
float is short on NFLX [01:28 pm]
shark : that must be the part that is
covering [01:28 pm] qwert :
yikes [01:28 pm] shark :
yeah [01:29 pm] apple : just looked
over and saw that one — but that happens, i
expect it really [01:29 pm] shark :
AAPL moving [01:29 pm] doji :
AAPL [01:29 pm] shark : down
$6 [01:30 pm] qwert : apple didnt
you say you got a 105 calls on nflx [01:30
pm] shark : -$9 [01:30 pm]
apple : yes [01:30 pm] shark :
all over the place [01:30 pm] doji :
Like a yoyo [01:30 pm] qwert :
nice [01:30 pm] shark : would have
been nice to get some at 504ish with $2
stop [01:30 pm] shark : and $10
profit target 🙂 [01:30 pm] apple :
in your dreams [01:31 pm] shark :
hahahaha [01:31 pm] doji : Ouchh
APPL dropping [01:31 pm] shark : too
bad for AAPL lovers [01:31 pm] shark
: $13.81 vs $13.47 est [01:32 pm]
shark : revenues light [01:32 pm]
shark : down 5% now AAPL [01:32 pm]
doji : HEy Shark, can you place Stop
Market orders in the aftermarket with your
broker? [01:33 pm] shark :
hmmmm….let me check [01:33 pm]
doji : So your stop i limit
aftermarket? [01:33 pm] shark : not
sure. but a great question [01:34 pm]
doji : so how do you control your
losses in the aftermarket ? [01:34 pm]
shark : AAPL guidance going
down [01:34 pm] shark : watch live
and have your finger on the trigger [01:34
pm] shark : that’s the way I do
aftermarket trades [01:35 pm] doji :
More ammunition for short sellers! [01:35
pm] doji : hahahah [01:35 pm]
doji : Nice Shark [01:35 pm]
apple : ES dropping as well [01:36
pm] shark : AAPL cash now at
$137B [01:36 pm] shark : so only
$300 for the stock price [01:41 pm]
apple : good night [01:42 pm]
shark : gn apple, everyone [01:42
pm] qwert : bye apple
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